I’ve not written anything about my progress with Portuguese lately. No prizes for guessing why. Coz I ain’t been doing any. Sigh. Since starting this project in March, it’s been all fits and starts. The underlying reason being that I’ve failed to fully commit to it.
I’ve been circling the task as if it were some snarling two-headed harpy. I stuck my fingers through the cage a couple of times, and it took a swipe at me with it’s terrifying verb system and an extra bloody subjunctive that Spanish has had the good sense to abolish long ago.
The inertia just kept festering like a suppurating bedsore, and I’d not been able to snap out of it for those past three months. Then, a couple of weeks ago, one of my blogmates started setting himself a series of challenges in order to push his Hebrew and his French to the next level.
Now, this guy has a full-time job, a wife, two young kids (one of whom has special needs), and yet he manages to bash on with it undeterred, and even record YouTube videos sounding like a reincarnated Victor Hugo, while all I’ve got to do is fabricate a couple of articles a week about the market potential of bison meat in Kazakhstan etc, saunter down the road to meet people for coffee and, once the guilt starts to impede my breathing, call my mother once a month. And I can’t find twenty minutes a day to learn Portuguese??? This cannot be!
So, ten days ago I started easing myself back into the groove by taking up Duolingo again. My skills tree had atrophied down to a brittle sprig since the last time I touched the programme, and it took me an entire week just to get back to where I left off. And while competing with aforementioned blog buddy, I’ve uncovered his secret: The pesky blighter never sleeps!
I’ve also started tackling the second half of my long suffering Pimsleur audio course (Phase 1), I should reach the end of that in three weeks.
But I know that I need much heavier guns than this. I actually need to start talking to a real flesh and blood person, EEEEEEEEEEEEK!
Although I’ve tried to find a local intercambio to practice with, deep down I know darn well that this won’t work. It’s way too early. Compared to me, Tarzan would sound eloquent, even with a fistful of banana leaves rammed down his gullet, and I’d rather eat live tarantulas coated in slug slime than force even a single Portuguese word through my calcified lips.
So, I’m about to launch the ultimate in Linguistic Propulsion Systems: 1-2-1 lessons.
What I need is somebody who glares at me through slitted eyes and pins me against a wall studded with red hot iron spikes until I speak, while the money clock is ticking. It’s the only way. And that somebody is Teresa from Lisbon and I’m meeting her tomorrow for the first time at 6:30 pm.
Learning a foreign language is soooooo hard. After 6 years I am still struggling with Italian. I have started teaching English classes, in an attempt to convert Italians over to the English language. I think this will be much easier.
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I’m not sure… the Spanish have such a limited vocal range (in terms of vowels and consonants) that it’s easier for us to learn Spanish than it is for them to learn English. Or rather, speak it in an intelligible way. I’m guessing it’s similar in the case of Italian.
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You may be right, I don’t think my brain is wired for learning languages.
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You’ve learned one. All humans are capable of this. You don’t strike me as mentally impaired, as far as I can tell from your posts.
It’s lack of effort, and being able to run to MissS when things get tough..
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lol, Poor Mrs Sensible, he has treatened to send me back to night school 😦
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She needs a firm hand with you, I can tell 😉
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lol, Poor Mrs Sensible, he has threatened to send me back to night school 😦
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So, just for interest, what strategies have you tried so far? I hate classes, and I’ve ranted on about that in various posts, lol. Necessary evil for covering the basics, but I detest them.
1-2-1 intercambios? (Not with MissS, that never works – total strangers are better for this).
Am trying to write a ranty post on “just picking up a language” (i.e. by virtue of living in a place where the language is spoken) – it’s like a red flag for me when somebody says that!!! That’s so not how it works… sigh.
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I have a collection language discs that I used to listen to, yawn! Watching Italian films with either Italian or English sub titles is the best, Reading Italian books for young children, but it is so un cool to be sat in a cafe’ with a glass of red wine reading The little bear and the tiger. Playing cards with Italian friends.
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Children’s books, yawhn…. I found the Kindle really helpful, as you can buy a bilingual dictionary with it, saves so much time when looking things up.
And then there’s the radio. For several hours a day. Noticed a big difference after 3-4 months of listening to that. It’s just hard work, no way round it.
Fancy joining me on Duolingo? My user name is SimoneBa if you want to add me as a ‘friend’ 😉
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Ok I will go and search for it 🙂
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It’s good fun. You get points, and every lesson only takes 3-5 minutes. And when you screw up, the little green owl cries its wee heart out 😉
http://www.duolingo.com
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Hurraaah!!! I’ve added you, we’re on 🙂
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Ahh! Good luck. I absolutely hate the awkward situation that is private lessons but they absolutely work!
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Yes, it definitely hurts… but I’m worse in class situations! I hate language classes, lol.
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I’m also terrible in class situations. I don’t know about you, but I’m really skilled at fading into the background and avoiding speaking. At least the private lesson forces me to say something. Ugh. I think I need to lay down, just from thinking about it.
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That’s my problem exactly. I avoid speaking at all cost. And I totally freeze up when it’s my turn.
I’ve still got nightmares about Russian classes I had when I was 14, because we had to read aloud and I would have near panic attacks.
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Best of luck with the lesson! Some lovely descriptions in this one!
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I’m quaking in my boots.
Will have to prepare something… am determined to at least attempt an intro in Portuguese.
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Hello, please sit down, and would you like some cake maybe?
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I’m going to her house. And I can already say “Quero bolo imediatamente!” Of course 🙂
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I want cake now?
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🙂
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Good luck! Be glad it is with an alphabet you can read!
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I certainly am…!
I really want to learn Japanese, but the knowledge that I won’t ever achieve full literacy puts me off.
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Hilarious! I have felt this way forever about my German. Which I only use grudgingly when reading scholarly articles. I never seem to make much progress despite many stern resolutions. I have self-diagnosed the problem: I sleep 8 hours a night ; )
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Lucky you! I manage 6, at best.
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My problem is that I can’t function without it. It’s more efficient to get the sleep. But I have to arrange my life around it…
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Best of luck with the 1-2-1s….. I’m sure you will soon wonder why you left it so long…
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I always need to get to the point where I can bear it no more 😉
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😀 😀
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What IS the market potential of bison meat in Kazakhstan? Or Russia, for that matter – bison burgers are fantastic!
I have no idea where you’re even getting the motivation for another language you dont actually ‘need.’ I have been contemplating enrolling in the Cervantes institute here, for a 12-wk intense advanced Spanish program, but it’s 5 hrs of class every Saturday >.<
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Five hours of class… that’s a lot.
Why am I doing this? Because I find it ultimately very gratifying to open a window into a new world. More gratifying than anything else I’ve ever done or will ever do, In fact.
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Ah, yes, that. I like it when everyone just speaks English… 😉
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Fuck, you really ARE American!!!! 😉
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Nothing better than just throwing yourself in! Best of luck with it!
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Cheers! How’s it going with the Lithuanian? The grammar can make grown men cry, I’ve heard…
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Good luck and have fun! I’m still struggling with Italian and I’ve been here nearing 6 years! My husband and I are lazy and speak mostly English together. Or wait, Im lazy, he speaks to me in Italian, I translate it in my head and response to him in English! The only time I get full Italian conversations is when I have my morning cafe down at the bar. 🙂
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It does take a conscious effort. If I were sharing/living with Spaniards, I’d be totally on top of it right now. God knows how long it will take to get my Portuguese where my Spanish is…
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You’re waaaaay ahead of me on Duolingo this week! I started doing some Spanish (felt guilty cos I’ve been taking the “easy” way out recently and only doing German). Went right back to the first lesson, realised I’d forgotten almost everything and quite after about 15 minutes. *Sigh*
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Yup, I had that with the Portuguese… almost like starting from scratch. So disheartening!
We’ll just have to keep going.
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Well done you! I love a woman with even a smidgeon of determination. You’ve got my share, but I’ll take a look at Duolingo while I’m here 🙂
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Yes, join us 🙂
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And now you have me blushing. (I don’t know that I can live up to some of that.)
As the wife pointed out, there are nights that I don’t sleep… but bear in mind there are also mornings I wake up extra early, or that I try to squeeze in some Duo around my meetings at work. 🙂
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Plus, for what it’s worth, I think you’re probably selling yourself short on your own ability in Portuguese, just as you’re up-selling my ability in French. 😉
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Hmmm… I guess we can meet in the middle somewhere…
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You can blush all you like, that’s the beauty of the internet 😉
Did you see I’ve roped a couple of extra people into Duo??
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🙂 That’s one of my motivations to crank away on it, you know, having folks to not just compete with, but to hold me accountable for getting my Duo done each day.
Even if I do have the streak-alive thing bought already, just in case…
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Yup, I got one of those too 😉 Gotta spend those lingots on something.
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Yay for Portuguese! You’ll do fine. I adore the language. I struggle of course, but that just comes with the territory. I do have to say I find the verb conjugation a lot easier than in Spanish. At least for the Brazilian variety, there are only really three verb endings to learn. One for eu, one for você/ele/ela/a gente and one for vocês/eles/elas. Nós is mostly for written usage which is not my focus and it happens to be very similar to Spanish, so no big deal. So the conjugation is a lot simpler. Which is not to say it’s all smooth sailing… haha, but you’ll be fine!
I went to my first conversation class yesterday and I was this close to not going but I made myself go and I even said stuff and… nobody laughed. 😉 It actually went well and I want to go on a regular basis. There’s a couple of Spanish native speakers that I got along really well with and I’ll meet them tomorrow for dinner. Yay!
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Well, that sounds like an all-round success for you! Excellent. Hoping there’ll be a post on it at some point. Still struggling with that arm/shoulder?
I’ll see how it goes with the lesson tomorrow…
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There will be a post, hopefully soon. Yeah, arm is still in a sling and a giant pain in the ass. Sigh
Good luck tomorrow!
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Awrgh, how inconvenient, never mind painful… hope that improves soon. Thanks. Have not prepared my spiel yet… and time’s ticking!
> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:52:14 +0000 > To: sbaroke@hotmail.com >
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Have no doubt you will suddenly discover that all the little bits of effort add up to a whole lot of progress! I’ve totally given up on Bahasa… the energy required to wrestle with the project has sapped enthusiasm for anything else when there. And when back home in Mumbai, I’d rather be out having fun! 🙂 Aren’t we all marvellous at coming up with excuses??
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That project sounds intensive – not surprising you haven’t got the head space for anything else!
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Groan…. don’t remind me!
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Sigh… I miss blogging faffery!! And while home, there are always oodles of activities vying for attention. Last night had five events – we made it to two – which I thought was rather respectable.
Love your Portuguese progress and lessons adventures updates!
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Ah, yes, but like an addict, you can always find a stolen minute or two 😉
Five?!? Why, you are Miss Popular, aren’t you?!
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Good luck with it! I’m well impressed with multi-linguists such as yourself. Having barely managed to grasp Spanish myself, I have a lot of admiration for you, buona fortuna (word reference told me to say that 🙂 )
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I continue to battle with my Spanish, but I’ve realised that if I waited until I’ve achieved full mastery, I’d be waiting for a bloody long time and I’m not getting any younger or cleverer! My RAM is decreasing… 😉
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Sigh, I’m with you! I’m Portuguese but my dad never taught me the language|! Can y0u believe it
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That’s not uncommon… it’s a lot of hassle, kids often reject it, but EVERYBODY ALWAYS regrets it later.
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Lol yes!
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My Spanish lessons haven’t been going all that well either. And I blame me. I’m lazy. I’m lazy. How do you say that in Spanish? If I wasn’t lazy I would know. I wish you luck and seriously, how does that dude do it. Hebrew and French. Yikes … did I mention I’m lazy?
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There’s no hope for you 😉
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Actually, Spanish has a nifty way of expressing this particular kind of laziness. When you can’t be bothered to do something, you say “Me da pereza”. This means that you’re not lazy generally, but that particular activity induces laziness, but only with regard to that activity. I didn’t put this very eloquently, but you get what I’m saying 😉
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When I saw the title of this post, I was ready to leave a comment recommending Duolingo to you, but you’re way ahead of me! I LOVE Duolingo, and I’m actually using it to learn Portuguese too! I started using it at the beginning of this year, but I, too, have been slacking off lately. Gotta get back into it!
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Well, when you do, add me as a friend! My user ID is SimoneBa
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